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today on the show astrophysicist and

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space journalist sarah crudders

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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we have a really fun interview today for

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you guys i'm going to be talking to

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sarah credits she is a astrophysicist a

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space journalist and the co-host of a

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new show on sky history in the uk and

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that is ufo conspiracies with craig

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charles who i know my uk base knows very

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well so without further ado i'm going to

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bring her in live from phoenix arizona

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sarah welcome to somewhere in the skies

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how are you doing thank you for having

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me

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absolutely i'm excited to talk to you

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now um sky history was kind enough to

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send me the first three episodes of the

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show that you're doing and um man you

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guys really you really hit the gamut you

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went worldwide this isn't you know just

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you know all the pentagon ufo stuff here

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in the states you guys were all over the

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place so um i'm excited to talk to you

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about that but before we even do that

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i'd love to just uh get a feel for who

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you are how you got interested in uh in

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space in astrophysics and um what led

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you to where you are today what's the

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origin story oh gosh that's just a long

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story so i'm trying like

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paper it down for you somewhat um so i

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my background's in astrophysics uh and

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also journalism as well so quite an

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unusual background but for me

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you know space is as much about a search

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for meaning and philosophy as it is

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about science and my first memory as a

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ufos and roswell and all that kind of

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stuff as a kid and uh learning about the

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planets in school and the panic venus i

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remember learning about this almost

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alien-like earth evil twin you know with

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why would you not be interested in space

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profound questions you know as much

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about philosophy as it is science you

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know why do we exist where do we come

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from what is our destiny and of course

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are we alone in the universe and for me

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it's a lifelong passion i um

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studied astrophysics at university

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specializing in active galaxy nuclei

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detection and then i started broadcast

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journalism and i was presented with the

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bbc for some time and now i work half

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within the commercial space sector and

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half on on television and

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and and for me it's a

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you know also write books about space

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vote i've written for um i've got fifth

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book coming out this year 2022 how is it

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2022 already but i mean

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all of us have in common pretty much and

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ancestors is that at some point in your

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planet watching around it there are

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twinkle that all our ancestors have

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wondering and you could be looking up at

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the night sky

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in their night sky and i'm wondering the

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same question you know are they alone is

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there something else out there and i you

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the universe is too vast too beautiful

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philosophy as much as it is science

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surface of what is out there you know

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we've explored our earth and now the

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next step you know is no different to

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what we've done on earth in terms of

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living really in the best time for human

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it's no longer something which is

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fiction or even beyond fiction it's

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when one of my close friends actually

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new shepard rocket um

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which is more and more relatable

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to more and more people and we're living

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in the best time and and to bring this i

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the realms of science fiction to uh you

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stigmatized you know or just

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laughed at something which people are

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vastness of the universe and the fact

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that you know i'll give you a great

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example if you were to condense all the

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oceans or sorry all of the universe down

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of the oceans all the oceans on earth

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universe and today i'll use this

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starbucks smell but other other drinks

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are available

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but today it's more like a starbucks mug

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size you know grande size of water that

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better than any science fiction movie

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time where we could possibly find some

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of those answers you know things like

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the james webb telescope and and um blue

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that you're that you're on uh ufo

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conspiracies with craig charles who does

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the modern study of television exactly

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this right so particularly if you're

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british viewers craig is a household

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watching craig on a show called red

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dwarf if you haven't seen it i highly

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is a smart guy his character on red

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dwarf was very different to how craig is

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in real life but he's got his

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passion and his curiosity and this

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kind of bring in the yeah but craig we

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not all going to be aliens but it's

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people see things that they can't

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explain they do come forward and talk

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looking for is a really exciting stuff

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what we're looking for is the stuff

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which has those credible witnesses you

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those titans seriously and we need to

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remove the stigma towards people who

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yeah exactly and i think that's what uh

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you and craig do throughout the series

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is um you do legitimize this topic and

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you do empower pilots and um even

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civilians and military to come forward

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with their stories you did interview

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people involved with the famous tic tac

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event or the the pen turk event which

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i'd love to briefly touch on with you

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because i'm in phoenix

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i've spent time in phoenix before for

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previous shows that i've worked on um

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you know it's a great city i love

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phoenix but you know this was the

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largest you know we talked about this on

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the show ufo conspiracy craig charles we

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you know the phoenix lights was the

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largest ever mass sighting of a ufo and

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this is back in multiple objects

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actually in the 1990s and i think we

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need to and it still remains one of the

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greatest mysteries and we need to

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and what we try and do in this show is

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is

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give a voice to people who've seen

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something they can't explain apply

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scientific analysis but also try and

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broaden it to a mainstream audience as

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well because i think we're seeing less

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of that stigma perhaps if you go back to

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the 1970s and 1960s project blue book

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and the disinformation campaigns we're

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seeing less stigma now and i think what

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happened what helped actually is when

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the us government came out with the

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nimitz and said you know what and we

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talk about the limits of the show geo we

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can't explain this whether it's

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russia or chinese technology or whether

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it's something not this earth we cannot

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prove just yet but the fact that

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governments are starting to legitimize

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sightings particularly for military

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personnel

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that makes it more credible and it makes

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people i think often for people who have

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seen something they can't explain they

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must feel quite alone and a show like

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this is a voice to those people to say

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you are not alone you are not the only

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one who's experienced something like

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this i'm not going to tell you it was

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probably aliens however

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i'm going to tell you it's not alone and

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we're going to apply the best scientific

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analysis that we can to see

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whether there's some validity in this

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whether we can find you an answer one

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way or the other and what's so exciting

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about this show is we can't find the

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answers for everything

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yep yeah they're they're yet to be to be

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answered and that's what makes this

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mystery so exciting for me i love the

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journey it's not really the destination

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i love meeting people i love meeting

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witnesses and um one of those witnesses

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was kaz clark um who is a witness to the

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very controversial penturk event in

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south wales so i'd love to get kind of

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just your uh your brief thoughts on that

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investigation sarah what was it like

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hearing that story had you known about

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that event this was quite recent if uh

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2016 this happened what do you make of

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that whole event i i think the event's

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interesting i think i was personally

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more skeptical and then craig and i'm

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sure you've seen on the show but i think

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it's important that we

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give people a voice and give people a

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platform in this and start telling those

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stories because you know i'm a

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journalist as well as a scientist and

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giving people a voice giving people you

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know an unbiased way to talk about their

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experiences and then allowing people to

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make up their own conclusions we've

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applied the scientific evidence and

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we've applied as much scientific

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analysis to this particular case as we

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can possibly come possibly and actually

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you know as i mentioned before it's okay

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to come forward and say

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do you know what this one can be

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explained away i'm not too sure about it

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because there's so many other uap ufo

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sightings out there that cannot be

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explained but it's almost good that we

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can say no this one can be explained

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this one is incredible because it leaves

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us with all the other great stuff that

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can't be explained

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exactly yeah i know it's just always

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that like

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five percent you know probably 95 of it

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can be explained in some conventional

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way but that five percent is like what

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we crave and what keeps us curious one

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day the answer will be aliens

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we don't know we don't know whether

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that's tomorrow whether that's you know

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a thousand years from now whether you

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know and not just aliens it will be an

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intelligent civilization because you you

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look at the vastness of the universe and

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you look at how although we feel old and

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vast and big and great actually we're

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tiny we're expecting the cosmos our

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civilization is relatively young as a

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technological civilization we're only

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about 100 years old you know as a

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technological faring civilization you

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look at how exponential that

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technological

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curve is for humans you look at the

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world a hundred years ago and the world

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of today

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our world today seems like science

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fiction to only if you know our great

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grandparents generation and it's just

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going to change and change and change

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and you imagine if there are

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civilizations out there and you hope

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that civilization's out there and

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they're much older than us much more

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advanced we

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it would seem beyond the imagination so

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there's some stuff we can rule out but i

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think it's important to keep an open

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mind with this and just to be you know

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one of my favorite cases was a muramura

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which is the extrasolar object uh which

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was discovered passing through our it

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was the first ever ever extrasolar

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object that we discovered passing

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through our solar system and i'm sure

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all your listeners and viewers know but

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extrasolar object basically means an

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object which did not come from our solar

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system and

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we expected this object to be spherical

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because that goes with what we know

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about planetary formation and a muammur

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was cigar shaped it was very long and

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very thin and there is this hypothesis

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that

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potentially because the weight

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accelerated as well as it came through

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our solar system potentially it was an

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alien spacecraft and we will never know

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for certain because that object has now

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passed us by i mean you look at the way

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humans have started to explore the solar

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system we've gone

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you know to the moon 50 years ago we've

442
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gone to earth albeit and that's about it

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and then what's gone furthest

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is robots you know robots are our eyes

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and it is in the solar system you look

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at the two voyager spacecraft they've

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left our solar system and when

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our earth is gone our solar system has

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gone our sun has died you know millions

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from years now where there's no

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relic of our existence

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those two voyages spacecraft will be

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cosmic messages out there in the cosmic

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ocean like you know messages in a bottle

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the last relics of human history and

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they both at some point will um reach

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two stars two separate stars that we can

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see in our night sky so humanity no

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matter what happens to us no matter if

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we even stop exploring that we'll have

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finally literally reached the start so

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there's always going to be this robotic

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evidence of our existence as a species

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and then you apply that same kind of

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logic to an alien civilization and

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perhaps it's the case that the first

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aliens we ever make contact with or if

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an alien spacecraft is ever proved to

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have contour

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perhaps it's robotic and not

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you know life as we know it carbon-based

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life perhaps it's something robotic

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because it makes sense based you know

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the only concrete example we have of

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life anywhere in the universe is one

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it's all of us and all the species that

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live on this planet so maybe the first

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um and we know we send robots out so

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maybe the first aliens we discover

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are robots or maybe

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you know we speak with seti i've done a

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lot of work with seti the team at saturn

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amazing and seth shostak who i'm sure

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you're aware of bill diamond who's ceo

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of seti um

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and and they talk about how

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you know

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should they get a signal and should that

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signal be proved to be

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from an intelligent civilization and

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we've got a few close signals but you

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know which couldn't be explained but

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should that be from an intelligent

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civilization and somehow we as a very

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divided planet work out a way to

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actually send a signal back and

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communicate

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and you know and and to represent earth

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because even though we're dividing on

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earth we are

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one planet one species in the vastness

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of the cosmos

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say we send a signal say that signal

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comes from somewhere 50 light years away

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so take 50 years get to us more than 50

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years and then we send you back and

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it'll take another you know we're

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talking over a hundred years and then it

509
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becomes almost like archaeology because

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you're talking to their partners into

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our past and is it going to be a case of

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not aliens visiting us but finding a

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signal and then we have a case of space

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archaeology going on in the same way

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that we communicate with our ancestors

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through relics that they've left behind

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in signals that they've left behind is

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that going to be the case we we

519
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just don't know and you know it goes

520
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back to that there's a great quote by

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this evolutionary biologist called jbs

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holiday and i'll paraphrase it and but

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it's the universe is not only as strange

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as you can imagine it's stranger than

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you can imagine then and that's what's

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so exciting about now things are beyond

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the imagination and and that's why

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you know i'm so proud of the ufo

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community for coming forward and talking

530
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about things that they cannot explain

531
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and going up against that stigma as well

532
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because um there is a lot of stigma

533
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associated with saying you've seen a ufo

534
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sighting but also being willing to

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accept that some things can be disproved

536
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and it's great to see this subject

537
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becoming more mainstream

538
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absolutely not in my lifetime did i

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think i would see that when i first got

540
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involved with you

541
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what got you involved i actually had a

542
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sighting when i was 12 years old yeah i

543
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saw a triangular uh formation of lights

544
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over a body of water that i couldn't

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explain i saw it with my father actually

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so i had another witness with me and um

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we just could not make sense of it it

548
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just floated over silently disappeared

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and um changed my life so i mean that's

550
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what this topic can do to people when

551
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:22,480
they can't process what they're seeing

552
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,799
and try to find answers so again i think

553
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:26,960
you're right we live in a time where

554
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:29,440
this is becoming more accepted and maybe

555
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:36,390
hey guys ryan here the summer in the

556
00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:39,679
skies podcast is a labor of love every

557
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:41,840
week and with that comes many different

558
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costs to keep the show running that's

559
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:46,960
where our patreon campaign comes in you

560
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give what you think the show is worth

561
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there's different rewards available all

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the time including shout outs on the

563
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show early editions of main episodes

564
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:58,720
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565
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:01,200
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566
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:04,559
back and chat all things ufos so i hope

567
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:06,320
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568
00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:08,799
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569
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:12,160
join visit patreon.com

570
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:14,400
somewhereskies thank you for your

571
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,029
do you like stories of the strange the

572
00:19:30,150 --> 00:19:27,200
weird and the unexplained then we want

573
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:30,160
you to check out jim harold's campfire

574
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:32,799
the concept is pretty simple jim talks

575
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:35,600
to regular people about strange stuff

576
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:37,679
that happens to them and yes that

577
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:41,360
includes ufos along with cryptids ghosts

578
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:43,919
and head scratchers he doesn't

579
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,039
exaggerate or play a lot of spooky music

580
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:49,200
kinda like i'm doing right now the

581
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:52,160
stories speak for themselves ones like a

582
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,280
ghost story involving serial killer ted

583
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:58,080
bundy or the young man who encountered

584
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,280
an eight-legged demon then there's the

585
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,679
story of an alien abduction by what

586
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:06,480
could be considered a reptilian now not

587
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:09,440
all the stories are horrifying some are

588
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:11,679
actually pretty heartwarming like a

589
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,240
visit from a past loved one or a

590
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:16,559
peaceful near-death experience

591
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:19,360
regardless these are true and

592
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,480
fascinating stories told by ordinary

593
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,400
people who've had extraordinary

594
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,080
experiences

595
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:28,720
tune in to jim harold's campfire on

596
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,240
apple podcasts spotify or wherever you

597
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,640
listen to somewhere in the skies and

598
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:35,840
remember

599
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,710
well sarah i know you have um limited

600
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:44,960
time i'd love to ask you two listener

601
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:47,120
questions right if you don't mind before

602
00:20:56,590 --> 00:20:53,110
oh gosh no that's what we love here no

603
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,600
please um we had uh over on twitter um

604
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,799
limburnertodd on twitter asked this kind

605
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,320
of has to do with what you were just

606
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,400
talking about what are your thoughts on

607
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,120
if the energy release of the big bang

608
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,120
was not the start of something but the

609
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,880
end of something do you have any

610
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:10,559
thoughts on that crunch so like almost

611
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:11,919
like the bubble theory that you have a

612
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:13,440
universe and there's a big crunch then

613
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,120
it forms another universe

614
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,600
we we know so little so quantum

615
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:19,360
mechanics is kind of like the limit of

616
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:20,159
our

617
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,760
understanding of physics and we know

618
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,280
there's like the theory of physics

619
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,679
beyond quantum so quantum you know

620
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:27,280
classical mechanics explains why if i

621
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,880
drop my cell phone it falls quantum

622
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,559
mechanics explains

623
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,159
the technology which is inside your cell

624
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,600
phone but we don't quite understand it

625
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,799
and we know there's four fundamental

626
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,720
forces within the universe the weak the

627
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:38,400
strong the electromagnetic and gravity

628
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,080
and ironically gravity is the weakest

629
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,240
force it is and we can't get what is

630
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:44,480
known as a grand unified theory we can't

631
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,520
unite

632
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,600
those four forces with um our

633
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,440
understanding of physics thus far with

634
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:50,799
um classical mechanics and quantum

635
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:52,080
mechanics so we know there's likely a

636
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,880
theory of physics beyond quantum and we

637
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,240
know quantum mechanics even though we

638
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,320
don't fully understand it has

639
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,000
transformed technology so it's very

640
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,559
exciting to me that's a theory

641
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:04,000
beyond that so

642
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,440
when it comes to the big bang when it

643
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:07,440
comes to our existence there's almost an

644
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,720
element of um

645
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:09,840
faith might be the wrong word but

646
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,000
there's an element of we can't explain

647
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,840
everything just yet and that's that's

648
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,760
exciting and it's terrifying and there

649
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,200
is this possibility that there could

650
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,960
have been a universe before you know our

651
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,400
universe could be a child another

652
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,880
universe we could be living in multiple

653
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,640
universes and then the colliding you

654
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,720
know touching of two universes then like

655
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,039
creates another universe and you get

656
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,720
into m theory string theory all this

657
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:32,960
kind of mind-boggling stuff and

658
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:33,840
we

659
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:38,880
are in some smart kids school projects

660
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,520
and we are just a computer simulation we

661
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,880
know so little we don't know whether

662
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:44,080
we're being watched we don't know

663
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,679
whether like if you were walking down

664
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,200
the street and saw a colony of balance

665
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:49,280
you likely wouldn't talk to them and

666
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,960
it's the same there could be such more

667
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,480
higher intelligence out there that they

668
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,159
just know of us but don't care of us

669
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,240
because we're just too dumb to them like

670
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:58,080
you know there could be alien you know

671
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:59,520
the motto for humans when looking for

672
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,880
life else whereas follow the water

673
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,640
because we know three key things for

674
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,200
life is energy raw materials and water

675
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:07,280
we have all three on earth you know

676
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,559
there could be a species out there that

677
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,640
is hunting for us because they need

678
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,640
water or that they you know life formed

679
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,799
in a similar way we we just don't know

680
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,320
so they thought that um

681
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,000
there was a big crunch and then another

682
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,600
big bang

683
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,159
it's a thought but we're that that's at

684
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,159
the very limit of our understanding of

685
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,280
universe and physics and it's exciting

686
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,960
and it's terrifying and i think we think

687
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,360
about it too much you we can't get our

688
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,960
heads around it it's almost the curse of

689
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,880
the human condition that we

690
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:37,039
we want to know more we want to um

691
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,559
understand what you know we have this

692
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,480
urge to explore and to go over the next

693
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,559
hill it's why we have all the benefits

694
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,480
and almost the flaws that we do today

695
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,400
because we question things we explore we

696
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,760
you know humans are designed to go over

697
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:49,279
the hill and explore we want to go to

698
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,960
space to paraphrase kennedy because it

699
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,039
is there and it's that next step for us

700
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,880
we want to know why we exist we want to

701
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,320
answer those fundamental questions and

702
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,960
they they bring about technological um

703
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,480
advances which benefit all of us on

704
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,679
earth but it's

705
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,120
it's a hypothesis the fact that there

706
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,720
might be universe before our universe

707
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,640
but we just don't know yet there could

708
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,039
be multiple universes out there it's

709
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,679
yeah it's crazy high-end physics of

710
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,200
which no one yet has the answers and i

711
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,799
think it's going to take a long long

712
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,240
time perhaps we might never have the

713
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,600
answers perhaps

714
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,200
that is something you leave to the realm

715
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,799
of something beyond us that we can't yet

716
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:22,080
understand

717
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,080
exactly definitely makes you humble when

718
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,159
you think of it that way our slogan is

719
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,840
when i was a kid because i loved physics

720
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:29,279
so much i would lie in bed and i'd be

721
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,559
like do i want to be an astronaut or do

722
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,080
i want to be a cosmologist and find out

723
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,430
i know there's a very very fine line

724
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:39,440
between the two but very different

725
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,640
profound conclusions i love that um well

726
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,559
you mentioned species my last listener

727
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,720
question for you sarah um ufo

728
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,960
realitycheck on twitter asks what do you

729
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,880
think about the phosphine and ammonia

730
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,400
findings on venus and what are your

731
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:54,960
thoughts on the future of the james webb

732
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,279
telescope so yeah is venus where we're

733
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,200
gonna find life what do you think it's

734
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,799
funny because i've heard the the

735
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,320
hypothesis that potentially there could

736
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,080
be life in the vents or clouds of venus

737
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,400
for quite some while um i feel like that

738
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,240
study came forward but it's a case of

739
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:09,600
when someone comes up with an idea in

740
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,120
science you don't just accept it you try

741
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,880
and disprove it and then if you can't

742
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,159
disprove it you're kind of left with

743
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,559
okay the possibility so what i would say

744
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,080
is the only sample of life we have is

745
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:20,559
one it's life on earth but we know that

746
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,880
life can exist in much more extreme

747
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,480
environments on earth than we previously

748
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:26,080
thought possible look at the marianas

749
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,600
trench for example the depth of the

750
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:29,440
ocean you and i would be crushed to

751
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,880
death you know not forgetting the fact

752
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,080
there's no way for us to breathe but say

753
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,919
we get down there we'll be crushed to

754
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,200
death and then you've got these

755
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,360
alien-like fish you've got you know

756
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:39,520
extremophiles extreme environments on

757
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:41,120
earth where life

758
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:44,000
wasn't meant to survive and it does so

759
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:45,919
there's a lot more science a lot more

760
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,559
research which needs to be done into the

761
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,279
phosphine and venus but i i think

762
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,279
you know it's full of surprises and

763
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,039
saying hypothetically life was found to

764
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,720
exist in a very simple form of venus and

765
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,640
then we found microbial life on mars

766
00:26:01,269 --> 00:26:00,000
which wasn't related to life on earth

767
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,279
because there's a hypothesis that

768
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,039
actually during the early universe

769
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,279
during the early solar system when earth

770
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,360
when mars was much warmer and wetter

771
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:09,039
life on earth was actually seeded by a

772
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,720
meteorite from mars so we could be the

773
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:12,720
martians we've been looking for but say

774
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,679
there is

775
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,600
life on mars simple microbial life or

776
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:17,120
evidence in the past it's independent of

777
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,240
life on earth

778
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:19,760
say there is some very simple life of

779
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,720
venus

780
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:22,720
life on enceladus which is this a icy

781
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,520
moon of

782
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,080
of um saturn or europa which is icy moon

783
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,039
of jupiter say there's um life on

784
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:31,120
you know other moons titan for example

785
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,559
which is the only moon in our solar

786
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,480
system you know orbits around

787
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,080
saturn but it's the only moon with an

788
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,480
atmosphere so we find lots of places

789
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,640
for life which is independent

790
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,720
of life on earth

791
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,240
it's our one average solar system you

792
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,760
only have to do the math to wonder how

793
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,279
much different life is out there and i

794
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,200
think just because we've got one sample

795
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,039
what we do know we are starting to

796
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,279
conclude is that life can ex you know

797
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,559
survive in much more extreme

798
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,000
environments than we first thought it

799
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,760
won't be life like you and i or the

800
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,080
animal species we know but life

801
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:02,240
can exist in different ways

802
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,640
and then to the james webb and yeah oh

803
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,240
my gosh i remember going to visit james

804
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,840
webb and this picture on my instagram at

805
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:09,919
sarahcrest tv and pictures on my my

806
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,640
twitter as well at sarah credits and

807
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,320
it's just incredible this is the you

808
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,400
know the pinnacle of human

809
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,760
engineering you know because i always

810
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,960
like to say scientists dream it

811
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:20,080
engineers are the ones who have to go

812
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,600
out and do the hard work and make it and

813
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,679
this is this is just a you know and the

814
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:26,159
hats off to ariane um ariane group

815
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,600
already on spouse who successfully

816
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,840
launched this rocket as well at this

817
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:31,440
space telescope as well because that is

818
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:32,080
a

819
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,080
this is going to

820
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:45,840
enable us to look back to see the first

821
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,080
galaxies which better form this is going

822
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,919
to help us discover more and more

823
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,440
exoplanets and for those who might not

824
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:53,120
know an extra planet stands for extra

825
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,480
solar planets so it's a planet which

826
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:56,240
exists around another star which isn't

827
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,279
our sun

828
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,480
and

829
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,799
you know we yeah if you can imagine it

830
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,559
it probably exists out there and all the

831
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,559
things you can't imagine probably exist

832
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:06,480
as well and it's just going to be i like

833
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,600
to think of our understanding of the

834
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,200
universe almost like a

835
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,120
cosmic jigsaw puzzle and with each

836
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,960
scientific mission each bit of evidence

837
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,399
we're kind of getting another digital

838
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,080
puzzle piece to try and put that puzzle

839
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:18,159
together to try and understand all the

840
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,440
answers and of course we probably never

841
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,799
had the answers because the more answers

842
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:22,080
we get the more questions we're left

843
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,360
with so

844
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,279
james webb is going to give us a new

845
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:27,279
window excuse upon on the universe it's

846
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,640
going to give us a new understanding of

847
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:30,000
what else is out there it's going to

848
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,960
help us

849
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,720
understand more about planets beyond our

850
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,799
own solar system the possibility of life

851
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,480
on these other planets you know by you

852
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,640
know help us again because we're at the

853
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,960
point now where we can not only detect

854
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,720
planets in other solar systems but work

855
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,159
out whether they could have the right

856
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,240
conditions for life as we know it so

857
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,799
it's it's another step forward and it's

858
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,679
just

859
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:51,120
you know we are living in the best time

860
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,640
because we can't predict the future but

861
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:54,240
we are living in the best time right now

862
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,840
in terms of what else

863
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,000
could be out there what else it is that

864
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,840
we're a part of and it is just such an

865
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,520
exciting time and

866
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,840
you know i think it's uh summer maybe

867
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,880
slightly earlier than some of that we're

868
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,320
gonna start getting the first images out

869
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,600
and just like

870
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,080
you know i can't wait it's like gonna be

871
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:12,080
christmas all over again it really is

872
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,440
just think about it

873
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,279
it was only in the last century that we

874
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,039
knew what we looked like that our own

875
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:19,200
earth was like yeah you know

876
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,480
a hundred you know say you were born in

877
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,399
the year 1900 imagine what you saw in

878
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,919
your lifetime that you know the wright

879
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,840
brothers flying two world wars

880
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,080
commercial aviation advances in medicine

881
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,000
humans in space humans on the moon

882
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:33,120
images of our earth as a planet rising

883
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,480
in front of the moon earth rise you know

884
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:36,240
which changed you know astronauts who

885
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,440
went to the moon could literally stick

886
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,880
out their thumb and cover all of

887
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,720
humanity the entire history of our

888
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:43,279
species with a human thumb you know

889
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,720
and then the world we're in today of

890
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:46,559
computing in cyberspace and you know i

891
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,919
always like to joke we jumped into cyber

892
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,919
space not outer space it's just

893
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,679
it's incredible to think how far we've

894
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,840
come and then you look at the great

895
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,679
images hubble gave us and the fact that

896
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,960
more people can travel to space my

897
00:30:02,470 --> 00:29:58,480
friend dylan taylor who went to space in

898
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,480
december he was 602 of all the 100

899
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,840
hundreds of millions of humans that have

900
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,520
ever existed hundreds of billions of

901
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:08,159
humans have ever existed he was 602. but

902
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:09,120
we're going to meet more and more

903
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:10,240
astronauts and we're going to meet more

904
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,360
and more astronauts from different

905
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,600
backgrounds i i sit on a board of um a

906
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,600
non-profit called space humanity which

907
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,840
is looking at funding

908
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:19,039
flights to space for people from

909
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,159
different backgrounds because if we're

910
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,080
going to succeed in exploring space it

911
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,919
needs to be about everyone it can't just

912
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,360
be about the rich it can't just be about

913
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,799
certain nations it needs to be about

914
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,480
everyone so we're going to see more

915
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,760
astronauts minted we're going to see

916
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,200
more people experiencing that we're

917
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,440
going to see through james where more

918
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,120
images of our solar system of our

919
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,840
universe which we cannot yet imagine i

920
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,640
mean

921
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,799
and i talk a lot so i apologize but look

922
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,559
at new horizons the mission to pluto we

923
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:44,159
didn't really know what pluto looked

924
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,520
like we thought it was this boring lump

925
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,520
of rock which got downgraded to a dwarf

926
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,440
planet although pluto doesn't care what

927
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:51,039
we call it we didn't know what it looks

928
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,159
like and now it's this world where

929
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,559
volcanoes spew out ice instead of lava

930
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,200
and it's just this incredible incredible

931
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,679
world there is so much out there waiting

932
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,840
to be discovered and people need to you

933
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,799
know and i love what you're doing with

934
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,240
somewhere in the skies and it's great

935
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,000
people need to look up more and you know

936
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,519
my latest sport was actually called look

937
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,200
up our story with the stars and it had a

938
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,039
forward by michael collins who was the

939
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,880
um it was last piece of work he did

940
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,120
before he died actually he was the

941
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,679
command module pilot for apollo 11 and

942
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,279
and he talked about

943
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:21,200
how humanity needs to be outward bound

944
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,640
and continue to be outward bound yes we

945
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,640
need to look back and protect earth but

946
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,000
we need to keep moving forward we need

947
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,159
to keep you know outward bound and

948
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:29,919
that's what we do as a species and it's

949
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:30,880
just

950
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,279
it's a huge exciting time for the space

951
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,279
community and i include

952
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:37,279
ufology and the ufo community in that

953
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:38,559
because it's all about searching for

954
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,760
meaning and it's all about saying we

955
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,279
can't see things that we we've seen

956
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,640
things that we can't explain we don't

957
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,559
have all the answers we are not that

958
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:45,840
important to have all the answers and

959
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,240
understand everything that is out there

960
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,360
i love that yeah the you will ufo world

961
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,679
is merging with the scientific world

962
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,600
more than ever and that's what we're

963
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:57,039
striving for

964
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:58,720
i mean and i'm sure you're aware like if

965
00:32:03,029 --> 00:31:59,840
you look at the chilean government

966
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,039
they've taken uaps very seriously yeah

967
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,960
a lot of countries have yeah

968
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,840
because

969
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,600
aid is a defense thing i know when i've

970
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:09,200
um worked on nimitz and some of the

971
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:10,240
people i've interviewed have been moved

972
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,440
to tears and these are military

973
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:13,279
personnel who are serving their country

974
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,559
and we thank them for their service but

975
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:16,080
if they're in tears because they feel

976
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:17,440
like they can't defend their country

977
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,799
because they're seeing things that they

978
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:20,159
cannot explain

979
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,600
we need to take that seriously and

980
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,960
whether it is enemy technology or

981
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,880
whether it's something

982
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:26,480
not on this earth you just don't know

983
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,919
yet but we need to take these sightings

984
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:29,679
seriously it's great that and

985
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:32,880
governments are adding that validity

986
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,519
yep finally finally we're gonna maybe

987
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,039
get some answers

988
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:38,880
i'm loving it i am right in the way of

989
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,039
sarah well last question for you before

990
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,440
we go here um we only scratch the

991
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,600
surface of what the show covers but what

992
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:47,840
can we expect in the future of ufo

993
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,240
conspiracies if you don't mind season a

994
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:52,000
little bit before we go here and of

995
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:53,360
course where can we find everything

996
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,480
you're up to

997
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,240
um you can find out everything i'm up to

998
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,480
on my website sarahquinnis.com or on my

999
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,720
twitter at sarah critics on my instagram

1000
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,640
sarah products tv i apparently have a

1001
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:04,000
facebook as well but i don't really use

1002
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,640
it

1003
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,240
so i'm not the best at social media but

1004
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:07,760
um you know

1005
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:09,039
teasing what's coming up in ufo

1006
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,480
conspiracies with craig charles there is

1007
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,679
so much and i i is this modern scholarly

1008
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,320
dynamic and craig is definitely the uh

1009
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,240
the fox mulder character i'm definitely

1010
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,760
the danish scully character maybe i need

1011
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,120
to like she was british as well but

1012
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,360
maybe i need to redden up my hair a a

1013
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:24,640
little more

1014
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:25,519
you know

1015
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,960
it's this show there are cases where i'm

1016
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,480
actually more on the believer side than

1017
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,640
craig and when i say believer i say with

1018
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,360
added scientific evidence we are

1019
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,159
with scientists we are talking with seti

1020
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,240
we are talking with military personnel

1021
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:42,720
we are looking at everything from um the

1022
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,480
phoenix lights to um nimitz to the you

1023
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:48,399
know the island case with the the

1024
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,559
aviation um incident you know the pilot

1025
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,799
we're looking at global ufo sightings

1026
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,640
this is not you know i live in america

1027
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,080
i'm obviously british as you can tell by

1028
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,080
my accent but i'm a very proud new

1029
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,240
american and often a lot of the ufo

1030
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,480
sightings are american and i think that

1031
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,720
goes a lot back to the american culture

1032
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:08,320
and the american um

1033
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,000
you know ability i guess of americans to

1034
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,480
question things more or this is a global

1035
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,560
thing and we make this a global show so

1036
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,879
we are looking at cases from around the

1037
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:18,960
world and i think you can almost

1038
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,119
look at potentially patterns to see that

1039
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,639
this is no longer something which is

1040
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:24,079
about a niche community but this is

1041
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,359
something that so many people have

1042
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:27,200
experienced and so many people have the

1043
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,399
right to

1044
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,000
answers and even if those answers aren't

1045
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:32,240
the answers they want we're trying to

1046
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,919
get those answers and investigate as

1047
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:36,079
many cases as possible with the most

1048
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,040
thorough

1049
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,639
up-to-date research and i should also

1050
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:40,399
shout out to all the production team at

1051
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:43,119
five films and to a e networks as well

1052
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,560
because there's a huge amount of

1053
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:46,639
research which goes on behind the scenes

1054
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,119
of people spending months and months

1055
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,119
researching these cases and to the best

1056
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,520
of their ability and trying to find the

1057
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,679
best most unexplained cases that are out

1058
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,520
there and i i just think

1059
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,040
keep watching this is a show for the ufo

1060
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,720
community but it's also

1061
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,640
for people who just looked up you know

1062
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,160
and we've all looked up people with that

1063
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,480
curiosity that wonderlust who

1064
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,839
know that we can't explain everything

1065
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,680
because you know

1066
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,240
if we're to succeed in finding answers

1067
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,079
this needs to be about everyone it can't

1068
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,440
just be about a niche group of people it

1069
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,960
can't just be about a niche community so

1070
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,200
this is a both a mainstream show and a

1071
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,520
show which will keep the ufo enthusiasts

1072
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,599
and excited and

1073
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:25,200
and actually ufo enthusiasts is the

1074
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,560
wrong word because i think if you've

1075
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,839
experienced something that you cannot

1076
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:30,160
explain that's more than enthusiasm

1077
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,599
that's about someone like yourself

1078
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,640
included

1079
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,400
who has had an experience that you want

1080
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,160
answers for and

1081
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,160
it would be

1082
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:40,079
myopic and short-sighted to believe that

1083
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,200
we're the only thing out there in the

1084
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,280
university is just we can't prove it

1085
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:45,200
just yet and say conclusively would

1086
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,560
almost be faith and not science but

1087
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:50,720
this is the century and just as the last

1088
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,119
century so much changed so much is going

1089
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,720
to change in this century and this show

1090
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,320
is

1091
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,480
the most up-to-date investigation into

1092
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,240
some of the biggest and some of the most

1093
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,880
unknown ufo sightings which have ever

1094
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,800
happened and when we apply science to it

1095
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,880
i'm not afraid to say no i feel like

1096
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,000
craig would want to say yes to

1097
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,920
everything but there are stuff on this

1098
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,560
show which um even i can't explain and

1099
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,839
then that's why

1100
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,760
you keep watching

1101
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,760
yep that's all we want is to hear a

1102
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,640
skeptic say i don't know that's that's

1103
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:23,520
all we want sir

1104
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:24,560
exactly

1105
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,920
we need to get rid of the skeptics and

1106
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,920
believers because it's about evidence

1107
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:30,000
and a skeptic isn't someone who says all

1108
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:31,359
aliens don't exist because i actually

1109
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,320
think

1110
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,599
as you know a lot of us know

1111
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:35,119
mathematically and scientifically that

1112
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,800
the likelihood of us being alone is very

1113
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,280
slim but it's more um

1114
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,119
it's about looking for evidence and it's

1115
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,640
more about saying you know some people

1116
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,480
say i've seen something that i can't

1117
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,320
explain and then people saying i

1118
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,520
understand you can't explain that but we

1119
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,200
need more evidence and i think this

1120
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:51,200
whole pitching two sides against each

1121
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,480
other which we're seeing in the world

1122
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,640
right now politically and socially we

1123
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,920
need to stop doing that and we need to

1124
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:57,119
find that middle ground and realize

1125
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,640
there is stuff out there that cannot yet

1126
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,320
be explained

1127
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,640
exactly and ufos are going to bring the

1128
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,320
world together

1129
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,800
i am you were very gracious with your

1130
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,640
time um i have to thank you for coming

1131
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,800
on i can't wait to see what else you and

1132
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:12,960
craig got going on again it's ufo

1133
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,800
conspiracies on uh sky history in the uk

1134
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,960
tuesdays at 9 00 pm hopefully we'll get

1135
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,599
it here in the states um not soon after

1136
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:23,839
that but um i want to wish you the best

1137
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,240
of luck on your your press jacket for

1138
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,960
this it's a great show i really really

1139
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,200
dig it and um i love what you guys are

1140
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,359
doing so sarah once again thank you for

1141
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:35,280
coming on somewhere in the skies thank